Piper on “post-modern” as “pre-modern”

Justin Taylor reports from the Bethlehem Pastor’s Conference here. Today John Piper said the following while speaking on William Tyndale. Thoughts anyone?

“It is ironic and sad that today supposedly avant-garde Christian writers can strike this cool, evasive, imprecise, artistic, superficially-reformist pose of Erasmus and call it “post-modern” and capture a generation of unwitting, historically naïve, emergent people who don’t know they are being duped by the same old verbal tactics used by the elitist humanist writers in past generations. We saw them last year in Athanasius’ day (the slippery Arians at Nicaea), and we see them now in Tyndale’s day. It’s not post-modern. It’s pre-modern—because it is perpetual.”


9 responses to this post.

  1. I’m confused. I jive with the unwitting, historically naive, emergent people who can often succumb to elitism in thier “generosity” – but how’s that premodern? And wasn’t the Bible wrtitten by premoderns? What does perpetuity have to do with anything?

  2. I shudder to respond to the great Raja but maybe his simple point is what seems new is not new at all. I realize this may not be a very academic response but sometimes simplicity can be missed. I will grant to the great one that I could be wrong.

  3. Your (feigned) reverence is nauseating


    I thought that’s what he was saying, but then I would have thought he would have said: “It’s not post-modern, it’s not pre-modern, and it’s not modern – because it’s perpetual.”

  4. Anyway the following list uses the name Chuck Norris but we all know it is a cover for “Blue Raja”:

    Top Ten +/- Chuck Norris Facts

    1. Chuck Norris’ tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. Ever.

    2. Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

    3. Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

    4. The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain.

    5. If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can’t see Chuck Norris, you may be only seconds away from death.

    6. Chuck Norris has counted to infinity. Twice.

    7. Chuck Norris does not hunt because the word hunting implies
    the probability of failure. Chuck Norris goes killing.

    8.It can’t be mentioned because it might kill you and then you wouldn’t be able to finish this list.

    9. Chuck Norris is 1/8th Cherokee. This has nothing to do with ancestry, the man ate an Indian.

    10. In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Chuck Norris, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone else has ever gotten.

    11. There is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only another fist.

    Additional Chuck Norris Facts

    * Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying over the Pacific Ocean.

    * Chuck Norris is ten feet tall, weighs two-tons, breathes fire, and could eat a hammer and take a shotgun blast standing.

    * The Great Wall of China was originally created to keep Chuck Norris out. It failed miserably.

    * Contrary to popular belief, Chuck Norris, not the box jellyfish of northern Australia, is the most venomous creature on earth. Within 3 minutes of being bitten, a human being experiences the following symptoms: fever, blurred vision, beard rash, tightness of the jeans, and the feeling of being repeatedly kicked through a car windshield.

    * Most people have 23 pairs of chromosomes. Chuck Norris has 72… and they’re all poisonous.

    * If you ask Chuck Norris what time it is, he always says, “Two seconds ’til.” After you ask, “Two seconds ’til what?” he roundhouse kicks you in the face.

  5. Ha!

    I spent literally a half an hour reading and snorting in uncontrollable laughter when I found that “facts about Chuck Norris” site. There’s also one about Vin Diesel – here’s my favorite:

    When Vin Diesel does push-ups he’s not pushing himself up — HE’S PUSHING THE EARTH DOWN.

  6. Paul,

    You totally ripped that off of Tim’s blog. But it was still funny the secon time on the second blog.

    The Other Paul

  7. Actually, whoever posted them ripped them off from here.

  8. your block of character is outstanding!

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