Ligonier conference and Limousines…

I had the privilege of attending Ligonier ministries 5th annual Pastor’s Conference this past week in Orlando. The primary speakers were R.C. Sproul, Steven J Lawson, and Joel Beeke. The purpose of the lectures was to highlight the significance of having a God-centered ministry that is conducted in humble submission to the Word of God and that emphasizes the glory of God in worship, evangelism, prayer, and preaching. Dr. Sproul picked the right speakers to help communicate these wonderful themes.

Now some of you are probably wondering what a limousine has to do with Ligonier ministries? Keep reading and I will evidentially get there…Before I talk about any of the specific lectures per say I want to say what a wonderful job the Ligonier staff did in hosting this conference. The meals each day were unbelievable and the subsidized cost of the conference was amazing ($150 for registration and room/board). The size of the conference was just right (250 pastors), as opposed to the mega conferences (like Desiring God or Shepherds or Together for the Gospel) where 2000 people is considered a small crowd. The smaller venue allowed one to interact with the speakers (especially Dr. Beeke) as well as get to know various pastors from throughout the world.

I had two strikes against me going into this conference seeing I’m both pre-mill and Baptistic (by conviction). I would guess that the vast majority of the men who attended this conference were obviously Covenantal and either Post or Amill. With that said, all the attendees shared a common bond though our personal commitments to the gospel of grace and to a high view of God. All that to say, I enjoyed some great fellowship with various pastors including my father, Kent who came in from Washington state.

Dr. Lawson started off the conference preaching from Psalm 93. The sermon topic was on “the Eclipse of God.” He reminded us that man can build beautiful buildings but only God can build a church. All of Lawson’s sermons during the conference were expositions of various Old and New Testament texts. It was great to have someone model what expository preaching is and to help show everyone why expository preaching is so powerful (Scripture truth in Scripture dress). It’s more and more common these days to have conferences that deal with biblical issues via lectures rather than pure expositions of the Word of God. That is not to say there isn’t a place for great Biblical lectures but personally I’ll take a wonderful exposition of Scripture over a great lecture any day. Lawson concluded his first sermon by reminding us that the greatest issue facing the church today is who is seated above. Who is your God? Psalm 93 is very clear that the God of the Bible reigns!

Dr. Joel Beeke lectured next on hitting your “Target Audience.” This was a very practical lecture. Beeke said our preaching must be both applicatory and discriminatory. He said preaching must not ignore the pew nor be controlled by the pew. He briefly mentioned that in his opinion Haddon Robinson goes too far here. Dr. Beeke then went on to talk about the various people that listen to our sermons in the pew each Sunday: those include the growing believer, the backsliding believer, those who are in spiritual bondage, the open-conscience unbeliever, the indifferent unbeliever, etc. In short, we must remember that we have all kinds of hearers in our congregations. A mature preacher recognizes this and thus will aim his sermon arrows at the various people groups during the course of his expositions. Dr. Beeke reminded us that it would be a mistake to aim for every target in every single sermon. Wisdom and balance are needed here.

Dr. Sproul then gave one of his classic sermons from Genesis 22. He illustrated how we should tackle an Old Testament narrative with power and clarity. Dr. Sproul reminded us that the OT is God’s autobiography. If you want to teach your people about the nature and character of God study the Old Testament.

Dr. Lawson concluded the opening day sessions with a powerful sermon from 2 Timothy 4. I believe that preaching from common passages of Scripture has its advantages and its unique challenges. Steve Lawson eats, sleeps, and breathes this text of Scripture so the sermon was quite amazing to say the least. The first business of the preacher is to preach the Word. As the pulpit goes, Lawson noted, so goes the church. Lawson said there are 8 imperatives that instruct us how we are to preach in 2 Timothy 4:1-5. I’d encourage all you preachers to get this CD. In the mean time PREACH THE WORD!!!

Lawson started off Tuesday’s sessions with an exposition of Revelation 4. His topic was the God-centered worship service. Lawson picked this particular text because he believes that church worship services should be as much like heaven as possible. This thought goes against the contemporary church movement; which is cool, casual, laid back, informal, horizontal, trendy and often very trivial. Lawson asked the following question: If God were to design a worship service what would it look like? Steve encouraged us to examine Revelation chapter 4 if we want to find out. Steve then provided 4 distinguishing marks of a God-centered service from this chapter of Scripture. 1. A high view of God. 2. A deep fear of God. 3. A distinct separation from God. 4. A constant focus upon God. All these marks flowed out of the text of Revelation 4.

Perhaps the highlight of the conference was Lawson’s sermon on God-centered Evangelism from Matthew 7:13-29. All of us are aware of the scary reality that there are many people in every congregation who are born in the church but whom never been born again. This was a wonderful text to preach from in effort to address the following theme mentioned above. I’d encourage all of you once again to get to CD as well…

Dr. Sproul gave a great lecture on “A God-centered view of the Truth.” He went to John 18 and reminded us that we must embrace, proclaim, and contend for the truth! Sproul asked and answered two essential questions from this dialogue between Jesus and Pilate. Question one was what is truth? (Truth is reality as it’s perceived by God). Question two was how can true truth be known (an epistemology question)? Sproul then reminded us that rationalism and rationality are very different things. He also noted that sometimes we reduce apologetics to proclamation of truth instead of giving people a reason for the hope that’s within us. This was a great lecture because we minister to those influenced by post-modern thought.

Now I promised everyone I would get to the Ligonier/Limo connection, so here it is. On Wednesday night there was a Vesper’s service at Saint Andrew’s Chapel (R.C.’s home church). Now for those of you who’ve never been here before it’s really a hard church to describe. The inside of this building is quite spectacular (think stained glass art, massive paintings, exquisite architecture, etc). You preachers will especially appreciate the 8-foot high pulpit that sits on a raised platform…Ligonier ministries provided two large buses for those pastors who did not rent cars during the conference to get to Saint Andrews. For the guest speakers there was a different mode of transportation…you guessed it…a limousine service provided. Now before I go off on this let me say that I’m worried about how some of you readers may use this story. I know there are some pastors who seem to have an issue with every well-known preacher ministering in our day. I believe these men often struggle with envy. They wonder why God chooses to uniquely bless some pastors/churches the way he does? Why them and not me they wonder? It appears men like this often have an over inflated view of their own gifts and abilities and thus see zero value in hearing more gifted and experienced pastor-preachers. On the flip side of the coin, there is a growing (legitimate) concern that we Christians don’t turn our Christian heroes of the faith into some type of Christian “celebrities”. There is a line between honoring and esteeming faithful men and worshipping them. I’ve written about this before so I won’t repeat myself all over again. Now, you probably know where I am going with this already don’t you? I need to give my friends at Ligonier the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps R.C. Sproul has someone from his local church who actually owns a Limo company. Theoretically, this man could have offered free services to the guest pastors during the Pastor’s Conference. Honestly I don’t know. Even if that were the case I must ask the following question, what were you thinking?

Let me paint the picture a little bit better for you. All the pastors are at Saint Andrews Chapel waiting for the start of the Vesper’s service and all of a sudden here comes a white limo. The limo parks underneath the St. Andrew’s Chapel overhang and drops off…the conference speakers. (I would imagine the guest speakers had nothing to do with this decision so I don’t want to indict anyone here unnecessarily). I’m just concerned that this picture sent the wrong message. I know too many solo pastors who have to work another full time job in order to bring home an livable income. If the Christian community wants to work against creating a Christian celebrity community I’d suggest ideas like this be reconsidered. Gospel preachers and limos don’t go together. Save the limousine services for newly weds, professional athletes, and movie stars.

Let us focus our attention back on more important things. All things considered this was both an encouraging and an edifying pastors conference. Drs. Sproul, Lawson, and Beeke were very approachable during this conference. In particular, Dr. Beeke made a special effort to have breakfast and dinner with the men. The sermons and lectures that were given during this conference were clearly labors of love. I’d highly recommend you purchase the conference audio set and consider attending next year’s conference. I’d simple suggest if do come you drive your own car or fly in on a major airline…Let’s leave the limos for the rich and the famous.

21 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Mark Patton on October 29, 2007 at 8:53 pm


    I can’t believe I missed you. I thought I was the only pre-mil, baptistic guy amongst all the presbytery. The conference exceed expectations and was probably the best bang for my buck. God was truly central in all sessions. Thanks for the reminder.

  2. Mark,

    Perhaps we will meet up at another one. Thanks for your comments.


  3. I went a few years back (Ligon Duncan & Mark Dever were there) and loved it. There were only about 100 pastors there and it was only $50 back in the day.

    Incidentally, I also know what it’s like being there as one of the few historic premill Baptist types!

  4. Posted by Hank Caskey on October 31, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    I hope you won’t mind a comment from the pew instead of from the pulpit. I understand, as a Christian teenager (rebirth not birth), I may be naive from theological perspectives but I lack no boldness in willingness to weigh in. This may actually reflect a lack of wisdom. With all that being said, here goes…

    I think it a very wise policy to never lose sight of the fact that a pastor is a mere man and not a celebrity and certainly not God. He is subject to the same temptations as every man including a favorite of Satan; pride. He deserves to be honored as one who serves God. Yet, he faces a stricter judgement as one who is a teacher.

    Christ arrived on a fishing boat, on foot or on a donkey’s foal and not in a gold encrusted chariot. His example seems appropriate as does your observation. He was critical of those as hypocrites who wanted to be exalted rather than exalting God.

    I appreciate your comment and would encourage my pastor to walk humbly, handle the Word carefully, and never lose sight of who it is all about (which isn’t him).

    Thanks for letting me stumble upon your blog and for your discerning observation.

  5. Gunny and Hank,

    Thanks for joining the conversation here.

    Gunny, $50 bucks? That’s crazy!!!

    Hank, You’re right humility and meekness are essentials. I believe RC, Joel, and Steve try and model those things in their ministries. This was just an unwise decision (in our humble opinions).


  6. Posted by Hank Caskey on November 1, 2007 at 12:12 am


    Thanks for your gracious remark and allowing me to intrude. I’ll leave your blog now to you guys who are God’s emmisaries to His church.

    I just saw you are in Carmel, IN. I’ve just recently moved to Noblesville from the Chicago area. Maybe one day I’ll drop in an hear some good expository preaching.

    Wishing you all the blessings of our Lord and Savior.

  7. Hank,

    Hope to see you sometime soon. Thanks for your thoughts and comments.


  8. I had to choose between the Ligonier Pastor’s conference and the Expositor’s Conference at Steve Lawson’s church. I went to the Expositor’s Conference. About 200 pastors attended and Steve and John McArthur preached. It seemed that most of us were Baptist pre-mils. Steve and John were both very approachable and the conference was great.

  9. Morris,

    I heard that was a great conference!


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  11. Excuse my ignorance, but whatever happened to Christian Liberty? What is the problem with sporting a Limo…and if you’re not sure as to the *how* it got there (as you yourself noted in your entry it could have been free) why would you even feel the need to address it? No offense is intended, but that is awfully petty.

  12. [Please feel free to delete my previous comment, as I did not have the correct contact info.]

    With all due respect, I have to agree with Josh’s comment above. Please don’t misunderstand, though. I am not against the idea of holding a Christian leader accountable for sin. But whatever happens to the freedom of a Christian according to his own conscience as to what he can do concerning things indifferent (especially, as Josh alluded, you don’t know how they obtained the limo to begin with.)

    So then, yes, according to the words in the blog entry above, “Let us focus our attention back on more important things” (i.e. not limos).

  13. There are occasions and moments for everything. I do not believe a Pastor’s conference was the appropriate occasion to pull out the guest preacher limo. You are entitled to your own opinion on this matter and I do appreciate your comments.

    If we stand together for the gospel this is not the type of thing that will divide us. All things considered (as my post indicated) it was a great conference; one that I would recommend to other men in the future.

  14. Caleb, we’re not in division insofar as our faith goes, no doubt. However, my concern is who gets to define when it’s appropriate or not appropriate for a Christian to __________ (fill in the blank) when it cannot be substantiated as inherently sinful by Scripture? We need to tread carefully, lest we be like the Pharisees (and I know that was not your intention) who judged the motives of men’s hearts and made doctrines out of the traditions of men.

  15. Sorry, but for some reason my link keeps messing up. My proper blog address is reformersandpuritans, not refomersandpuritans.

  16. Mr. Kolstad, thank you for reading my comment. Thank you also for the gracious reply. May God continue to bless you and your ministry.

  17. A bishop should not be given to wine. Period. That’s what the Scriptures say, and there is a reason for it. R.C. Sproul (the lesser) is given to MUCH wine, and proud of it. R. C. Sproul (the greater) stood behind his de/re/frocked son and welcomed him in the pulpit…….

    The rest of this post has been edited.

  18. Dan,

    Please do not use this blog as a forum to discuss gossip or hearsay. If you would like to make formal charges against anyone named Sproul you should take it up with their presbytery. Please refrain from doing so at this blog. You have been warned.

    Paul Lamey

  19. Posted by Caleb Kolstad on December 21, 2007 at 7:33 pm


    The purpose of post above was to offer a personal review of the conference. This is not the proper place to discuss one’s charges against Sproul Jr. We have no way of verifying any of the information you post here and are not connected with Sproul Jr’s local church presbytery or local church, in a way. As members of the universal church we pray God is glorified in this process.

  20. Caleb,
    I appreciate your concern that your blog not become a place to discuss the sins of the Sprouls. And I especially appreciate the fact that although you truncated my post, you allowed it to stand essentially as written, following a warning which I will, of course, heed.

    By doing so you have considerably elevated your standing in my eyes. One does not have to research this topic in the blogosphere very long to see that such treatment is the exception rather than the rule.

  21. Dan,

    Thank you for your note. As Paul pointed out we believe there is an appropriate time and place for Matt 18 and Gal 6 like confronting…This blog and blogs in general are not the place.

    Plus, I would not know who to confront as an outsider to the situation at hand. Do i confront you for gossip or slander? Do i confront R.C. Jr for the sins you mentioned? Do i confront R.C. Sr, etc.?

    Because all the information mentioned in these blogs are things i can not confirm i need to be careful I don’t make judgments about peoples.

    I know every well known pastor has had his fair share of attacks…Some are discovered to be true (like Ted Haggard) and some are shown to be untrue (like Darwin Fish’s attacks on MacArthur, etc).

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